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I posted a few weeks ago about last names and how a typical Amish female will take her husband's last name immediately upon marriage. Okay, so what about first names? How do the Amish decide upon what to name their children at birth? I just thought of this because of a few recent celebrity births splashed across the headlines the past few days. Ethan Hawke who knocked up his nanny and is now having a baby with her just named their little girl Clementine. Kind of cute. Matthew McConaughey and his girlfriend just named their newborn Levi (a common Amish name). In my opinion, that guy just can't act...but I guess I am not his target audience.
Many people might assume Amish choose Biblical first names and sometimes they do. There are no hard and fast "naming rules" among the Amish. But the most common way is to choose a personally meaningful name, which means tagging a newborn after a grandmother, uncle, or aunt. Often the child will be named after a parent. This isn't vanity, it's usually the other parent bestowing the name. For instance, Lovina and Joe have, among their eight children, a Lovina and a Joseph. Husband Joe thought it would be very special to name a little girl after his beloved wife, so Joe won that round. It was the same scenario in reverse with Joseph. Amish parents will, occasionally, reach out for a novel name just because they like it. Lovina's sister, Emma and husband, named their newborn last year, Steven, simply because they liked the name.
I was deeply touched when Lovina and Joe named one of their sons, Kevin. Now I doubt if my name were Mildew or Fabius or something similarly strange that they would have named their son that...so they also liked the name, which helped...but it was an honor. If Rachel and I ever have children I'd love to name a little girl Lovina. Rachel, however, points out that Baby Kevin was the Eicher's eighth child. If we have eight children (not gonna happen) then she said I'd get to pick the name Lovina.
Well, whether I win that battle or not remains to be seen. But I do think the Amish custom of choosing a name based on a special connection makes more sentimental sense than the English way of just grabbing a random one.










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Our 1st daughter Elizabeth is named after my husband's Mother. She passed away at childbirth when he was 11-old. He said that is when he decided if he ever had a daughter her name would be Elizabeth. Our 2nd daughter is Angeline. My Aunt Marie was born one Nov.17th,my Grandfater on Nov19,and our daughter on Nov.21st. My Grandfater ofter said if he and my Grandmother had another daughter he wanted her named Angeline after my Granderfater. Both girls were given the middle Marie after my favorite relative my Aunt Marie. When I was born by parents couldn't agree on a name. My Mon's best friend Lorraine told my Dad that since they can't agree on a name that they should just name me Lorraine after her and end the argument. By Dad went to the hospital and told my Mom that my name was Lorraine because her friend said so.
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When our son & his European wife were choosing a name, they had to consider how it would work in both countries. Something OK here could be something inappropriate in the other, and so on. So, they ended up with a short name of a friend from a 3rd country, which has worked well, even when mispronounced. It also goes well with his father's name, which is his middle one. On the other hand, one of my daughter's sons, ended up with initials which spelled an undergarment, so when we had something engraved, we put the last initial in the middle-----still spelled a word, but one without the ensuing teasing. ~CS~
"Children are the living messages we send to a time we cannot see." ~J. W. Whitehead~
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Wow...this is a topic that has caused MUCH strife in my house... KJuneBug hit the nail on the head when she called it 'a little test for married couples.'
Before we were even engaged (let alone married), I had heard from my mother-in-law how my husband had been named for his grandfather, my father-in-law for HIS grandfather, and so on, leading to the initials DHS and HGS leap-frogging back "for generations." As an epilogue to this story - each of the numerous times I heard it - it was always reinforced to my husband that he would be expected to carry on this tradition by naming his first son Harold Gene, after my father-in-law. Well...not exactly my choice of a name, but who was I to stand in the way of "generations of tradition?"
Well, a few years after we did indeed get married, we attended a family reunion at which we learned that this story was just simply not true. Yes, my husband's initials were the same as his grandfather's, but my FIL's initials were NOT the same as HIS grandfather's. It was a tradition my mother-in-law HOPED to start...hence the badgering...but one I didn't feel the slightest bit compelled to go along with when we found we were expecting our first child. My husband had often said how he hadn't even liked having the name Harold as a middle name himself, so I discounted it further.
Don't get me wrong - I love the idea of giving children meaningful family names. But I also believe that a parent should LIKE the names they're contemplating. This actually became such a sticking point between the two of us that we ended up arguing one evening on the way to the grocery store and sitting in his pickup until, tearful and exhausted, we just went home and forgot all about the groceries! LOL He really felt the need to bend to his parents' desire - that in order to be a good son, he HAD to name the baby after his dad. As for me, I tried to assure him that he WAS (and IS) and good son, and that the name should be something WE chose, not something imposed upon us. Bottom line, I hated the fact that an expectation of his parents had come between us in such a way. I was more than willing to use Harold as a middle name - as a nod to BOTH my husband AND his dad; but I felt we needed to chose a first name we both liked and agreed on together.
In the end, the point was moot - the baby was a girl - and received a family name: Rachael Marr. Her first name is one I've always liked and happens to be my mother-in-law's middle name (as well as HER mother's middle name), we just chose a different spelling because we liked it better. Her middle name is the same as mine and my grandfather's, and was my grandfather's grandmother's maiden name. Whew!
We've had two more girls since...so the topic of a boy's name, while still there and still discussed (although with far less animousity), has never been a concrete issue. I'm still willing to compromise and use Harold as a middle name if the chance to do so ever arises, but I'm planning to stick to my guns and hold out for a first name I like.
Rebecca
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"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift... that's why they call it the present."
Shame on your MIL, trying to trick you into naming a baby after her husband! Sounds like something my MIL might do
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With our first, I didn't tell our family what her name was going to be. I just didn't want people saying "Oh, you aren't going to name her THAT, are you?", or just straight-up sayng they hate the name. I find that very rude, especially if you stress over a name and finally come up with a combo you both can agree on. My friend once asked me, while she was pregnant, what I thought of 3 different names. After hesitation, I told her I really didn't like one of them... well, that is the one she ended up choosing! I try to steer clear of these kinds of conversations, because you will often find yourself with your foot hanging out of your mouth!
As for the family name thing, people have to pick what is right for them. Our daughters don't have family names, but both of their names have Biblical significance to us. Although no one in my family remembers this (even my husband), this past Wed was the 5 year anniversary of losing our very first daughter at 18 weeks into my pregnancy. We named her Gabriella because we thought it was a pretty name, but in hindsight it also has Biblical meaning... the archangel Gabriel is thought to be a messenger from God, and her short time with us definitely changed my life around back to God.
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A good friend of mine had the same problem and was told that it was manditory that she called her first son James. Her husband was a James and he was called Jay, her FIL was a James and called Jim, and so on. She finally agree to name her first son James to keep the peace. After the birth of her first son, they had on the birth certificate James (forget the middle name) and the family couldn't have been happier! When she got home from the hospital, of course all the in laws wanted to know if they were going to call him James, Jim, Jimmy, Jay. She said Basco. and he has been know by that name ever since
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"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift... that's why they call it the present."
Basco! I kinda like that name
... it just happens to be the name of a small town around here.
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She says it was a name of a pro football player at the time (22 years ago)
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Yesterday my family welcomed a new addition to our family. My mother's 4th great grandchild was born, her name is Alissa Nicole :)
Her older brother is named Xavior Alexander...he was named after a charctor from the X-Men Cartoon...most of the family just call him Alex! Lol
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"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift... that's why they call it the present."
Congratulations!
That sort of reminds me of my name pick for a boy... I like the name Xander (which is kind of a combo of your grandson's two names). Vin Diesel played a character by that name on the movie "XXX".
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Thank you :)
When I think of the name Xander...I wonder if people will ask ya if you named the baby after the charactor on Buffy The Vampire Slayer!
My great nephew is almost 2 years old, his parents call him Xavior while the rest of the family calls him Alex...I just hope he doesn't grow up confused and bewildered! Lol
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"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift... that's why they call it the present."
Oh, I know about the nicknames! When naming our daughter Isabella, I DID NOT want her to be called Issy, because I just don't care for that. My FIL does it anyways, my MIL calls her Bell, my husband calls her Isabella... the rest of us (her sister, cousins, etc.) just call her Bobo. I hope it doesn't give her a complex!
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I just hope my great nephew doesn't turn out with a split personality disorder! Lol
I'm waiting to find out what my new great niece nickname will be as her older brother is already has nickname :)
I'm glad I never had a nickname other then the names I was called when I was in school and they were NOT good nicknames :(
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My step-dad nicknamed my kids. We understood Sis for the oldest - his sister was always called Sis. But .we never did understand George for my son and Grace for my youngest daugher. Wasn't close to their own names and no one in the family had then either
Cindy/KS
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"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift... that's why they call it the present."
My MIL tends to call all of her grandchildren (5 girls, 5 boys) George and Mabel. Not sure where that came from, either!
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After reading all these posts I've come to the realization that I'm glad there aren't many nicknames that can be made out of Kevin!
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Oh my family can make a nickname out of anything or they'll just rename you something else.
We have Suki, NaNa, Old Lady, Cookie, Miss K., Lollipop, Chopper, Squeaky, LeLe, MadDog, Sweet Thang, etc. In realf life these names are like Brian, Mary, Janine, Rachel, Dina, Kevin, Laura, etc. I don't know why they do it but everyone has some nickname that has NOTHING to do with their real name or even personality traits.
All babies are "baby sweet cheeks" until they get a nickname at around 3 months old. My sister though nicknames all babie "cute little acorn head"and pretty much doesn't use their names until they are about 1.
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My friends actually thought their little girl was deaf! She never responded to her proper name. Then they realized that they never USED it, mom had one nickname for her, dad another and grandma yet another (in Ukranian).
Paula
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I had a hard time on my last son's name so my mom helped. His name is her maiden name and my dad's first name, Russell William. My first son got his dad's name.
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Came across this regarding 'weird' names, can't help but think 'What were those parents thinking?'http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,390028,00.html
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One of the down falls of teaching, is finding a name that doesn't stir a not so pleasent memory of a student. When I had my second son, my husband wanted to name him Eric Daniel but at the time I had a student who was an Eric and he was a handful. I told this to my husband but he reminded me that I have had other Erics and they weren't bad. So we name him Eric Daniel. Came back from maternity leave to the 'handful' Eric and he asked what I named my baby and I told him Eric and he was excited and exclamed 'you named him after me!' I told him that even thought they had the same first name his middle name was Daniel. His reply was 'mine too!' Went to the office to check and sure enough his middle name was Daniel. I had to keep reminding myself that his name was spelled Erick and my son's was Eric.
As for all my 4 sons' names, I thought I was having a girl each time so I let my husband pick out the boy's name thinking that my girl name would be needed............
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LOL, funny story about the Erick and Eric Daniel...reminds me of something that happened to my brother once on a date. He was in high school and going out with a girl on their first date. They were just hanging out at my parents. My parents have a gazillion books in their house on any possible topic and I think more out of boredom (my brother who's name has the unusual spelling of Geoff isn't exactly a Don Juan and was grasping at topics to talk about as he tells it) Geoff reached for a book on a shelf that was entitled "10,000 Possible Names For Your Baby." Must have been an old book leftover when my parents were still contemplating names. Anyway, Geoff flips through the book and comes to a page of names and points to one: "Grinville. Ha! Who would name their kid Grinville!? "
The girl's face has a solemn look:
"That's my father's name." she says.
Geoff's like, "no way"...and he runs into the other room, grabs the phone book, flips to her name and, sure enough, her father's name was Grinville. I think that was their first AND last date!
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For my daughter I had her name picked out since I was five. My Mom won me a cabbage patch doll when they were all the craze. I wanted one so bad. But, one we couldn't afford one and two they were all sold out in town. So she went to Kmart to get my Dad some screws and she was given a ticket at the door to win a doll. She told them no thanks she was just going to be in and out. But, they insisted and she took it. Her ticket was picked and she won a cabbage patch doll. Security guard escorted her to her car...people were stealing them in Pensacola then. I opened it that Christmas. Her name was Lillian and I can't remember her middle name on the birth certificate. So I renamed her Lilly and Rose after my grandmother. I still have that dolls certificate with my name on it. So when I got pregnant that was my first choice...among Addison, Abigail, and Ella. But, Lilly Rose was the only name we could agree on. Then I wanted Lillith so bad..but, everyone kept saying NO they'll call her Lillith Crane..after cheers. Then I was going to change it to Lily b/c of Lily of the valley...makes me think of the Lord. But, figured two flower names would be too cutsie. So Lilly-Rose it was. Plus, I had a cross stitch already done with her name on it and I added the extra L without realizing it...so it was set in stone:) For years my grandmother wanted the family name passed down to another granddaughter. She passed it to my Mom also. Sadly she passed away before I was born and never got her wish. So everyone on my Mom's side was so proud she had the family name. They like to call her little Rose...what my grandmother was called and they say she looks like my grandmother and definately has her fiesty personality. So she is named after my grandmother and Mom.
"He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea." - Micah 7:19
Stay at home wife and mommy!
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"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift... that's why they call it the present."
I first heard the name Brianna in high school, and I thought it was very pretty. Then in college, I knew a very sweet, lovely girl named Breanne... and it happened to be a name we could agree on, so Brianna it was!
For the second girl, my husband picked out the name Isabella. I wasn't so sure about it, but I had a dream where the baby was called Bella, and that seemed right. The middle name was tricky because we couldn't agree on one. We finally decided to pick one that started with an "A", so her initials would be I.A.M. (like "I Am" aka God). It is my husband's job (as part of the deal) to teach her to spell Isabella Angelina when the time comes! LOL... seriously.
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You having your husband teaching her to spell her name reminds me of a student several years ago. Her name was Absolutely Precious. We weren't allow to call her Abby, or Precious, it had to be Absolutely Precious. The teacher who had her, kept saying that she (the student) had a hard time spelling her name and couldn't blame her because that's a lot for a 5 year old to remember
Then there was the one who was named Baby Jane............
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How self absorbed those parents must have been to expect their daughter to be called "Absolutely Precious" for the rest of her life. It is absolutely nauseating. Good grief. It reminds me of a girl I knew in my hometown, who back in the hippie days, named her son, "Rising Sun". Well, of course that might have flown down in the commune, but when the kid grew up,he was mortified. So he legally changed it at 18 to Richard Steven, allowing him to keep the original initials. Susan
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"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift... that's why they call it the present."
Oh my gosh, not those are some UNUSUAL names! Poor kid, now she has to live up to being a knock-out for the rest of her life, or else the irony ensues!
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About the time our oldest was born, I saw a baby name in the paper - Strawberry Sparkle! And I met her a few years ago when I was working in the convenience store - mentioned it, she said it was her.
Cindy/KS
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My oldest was named for both of our sisters. His sister's first name is a derivative of his mother's name, so in a way she is also named for her grandmother. But she is called by her middle name so that we don't confuse her with her aunt.
My middle one was given the boys name that we didn't use with the first one - it is also my dad's name and being as he is his only grandson, no one was going to change that one on me! My fil according to the story, had not been happy when my dh was named after him, but when I had my son, he wanted me to name him III. Told him no, I wouldn't have a child named III, but it turned out well anyway because my dad's middle name was the same as my dh & my fil's first name - so he still can think he is named after him.
On our youngest - I had 2 other names that I preferred, but my dh didn't care for. So we went with a name that no one in the family had - the first name meant Golden and she had blonde hair! But I told her a few years later what the 2 names were that I had wanted to name her - she liked the 2nd better and so made a point of telling her dad that she would have preferred the other name. She is the one who when she married, she took her maiden name as her middle name.
Cindy/KS
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It is very difficult to choose a name for a baby! We had to make that decision 5 times!!! In the name of privacy, I am not going to share the names just the stories of how they all came to be...
Our first we didn't find out ahead so we had a name for each gender ready. We used the leftover boy name for one of our twin sons and had to find another boy name for the other guy! BUT- before we knew they were they and that they were both boys, we had chosen a girl name! SO... along comes baby #4- we gave her the first name from that leftover and decided on a different middle name. And then baby #5... We at first we almost waited to be surprised as to the gender, then we decided that it was much more pratical to know in advance, so we had to make up a almost a whole new girls name. Remember that middle name we didn't use for #4- well #5 has that middle name, so we needed a first name to go with the middle name. One late night I created a name as a combo from some other names and bingo we both agreed!
Two of the girls have family names as middle names, #1 has a derivative of my mom's first name and #5 my mom's middle name. The three in the middle have Biblical middle names. Unknowingly most of the names are fairly poplular although not common. We have a really long last name so for the boys we chose names with 4 letters, we figured in that the girls will marry and change their last name to that of their spouse, weird to think that about your new little baby!
As a side note I went to Matthew McConaughey's blog to check out the name of his new little guy- He chose Levi, because it is another name for Matthew and his little guy was born at 6:22- and Matthew's favorite Bible verse happens to be Matthew 6:22! I thought that was very sweet! and you may think his acting isn't all that great, I think it is fine and a little female perspective here, he is pretty nice to look at!!!!
We actually went to Huntington, WV on our big trip, my husband loves the movie "We are Marshall"; that was one of the disappointments, we didn't get to spend much time there and didn't make it over to the University. WV was really really rainy, we were in a huge traffic jam in Charleston, the only one we were in the whole trip! Therefore delaying our arrival in Huntington. We were bummed, we aren't just in that neck of the woods often.
Naming that new baby is one of the first big tough decisions parents make together, I think God created it as a little test for married couples!
To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. Titus 2:5
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KJunebug, good defense of Matt Mc! I had just dismissed their name choice as another superficial Hollywood random name grab, but turns out there is some meaning/sentimentality behind it....Now, about his acting or being nice to look at....I won't go there....again, I'm obviously not his target audience
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